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They Don't Even Plagiarize From the Best

by: Minstrel Boy

This really isn't big fucking news. In The Torture Team, Philippe Sands explains in great detail how the current techniques of American Torture were mostly cribbed from the SERE training from the Armed Forces. As someone who went through SERE, let me speak from experience. It was sadistic bullshit run by sick fucking bullies. It was some real REMF puke sons of bitches getting their jollies off by acting like a bunch of swaggering pieces of shit. It accomplished jack fucking shit. It didn't train anybody in any kind of knowledge except that there were a lot of pissant low rent bastards who wore the same uniforms as us. Fuck SERE. Fuck their instructors. Fuck the shitheel dog breathed pissants who thought it up, fuck the horse they rode in on, the mail they carry, and the stamps they sell. It was nothing but a waste of time.

Oh, and by the way, it was developed to combat the torture leading to False Confessions that was done by the Communist Chinese, the North Koreans, and the Vietnamese.

Still, it was fucking bullshit. Worthless fucking bullshit.

Now, we find that our own Dear Leader did not take George Washington as his guide for Commander-In-Chief. Washington hated torture and absolutely forbade it. George Washington insisted that the Continental Army treat its prisoners with dignity and the honor that is due to fellow soldiers. George W. Bush didn't take MacArthur for his guide. Bush didn't model his policy toward prisoners on the policies of Grant, Lincoln, Pershing, Eisenhower, Marshall, or Patton. No, George W. Bush thinks that all those great Americans were stupid, weak pansies. He models his policy on the deeds of Mao Zedong

He doesn't even have the stones to model the best. Consider Tomás de Torquemada. Now that motherfucker knew how to fucking torture! He got folks, mostly women, or people of property that he wanted the fucking property, to confess to all kinds of beautiful stuff. Dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight, fucking demons, blowing goats just like Mickey Kause.

Tomás de Torquemada could get anybody to say anything and did. One of his most pure expressions of mercy was to promise to strangle the penitents before the fires were lit to save them from the horrors of burning and then not do that.

Who says he didn't have a wickedly sophisticated sense of humor on top of everything else?

I thought I had exceeded my limits of outrage and disgust with the current state of affairs in this country.

I. Was. Wrong.

I don't even want to know what's next.

harp and sword

10 comments:

I share some of your pain. Take care our Minstrel.
by: blackdog (contact) - 02 Jul '08 - 22:08
Great Rant 'n' Grr, M' Boy.

And now, pResident a/h has given in to North Korea, a country that DOES have nuclear weapons:

[June 30, '08] After seven years of nonstop belligerence and saber rattling, the Bush administration has given North Korea everything it has demanded. In return, the US gets nothing. [...]

On Thursday, Bush announced that he would remove North Korea from the terrorism list and lift other economic sanctions. This follows an earlier decision to provide Kim with massive quantities of oil to meet the North's energy needs; a fact that is ignored by the establishment media. On virtually every issue, the sullen despot in the oversized Foster-Grants has gotten whatever he's asked for.


I don't want to know what's next, either, and I'm afraid to find out what the prezidiot's next big f-up is going to be.

Is ANYbody going to stop him?
by: Foiled Goil (contact) - 02 Jul '08 - 23:12
First GWB is not good enough. Now he is not bad enough? Interesting
by: Newbie (contact) - 03 Jul '08 - 08:47
Oh, jesus, Newbie's back!! rdman
by: Lurker (contact) - 03 Jul '08 - 09:50
actually newbie, you almost got that point.

gwb is simply not enough of anything. he just lumps along, scratching by in his illustrious "c" student way. in the sure and certain knowledge that daddy can bail his lame ass out of this one too. not good enough to accrue any kind of distinction (although thorough and complete banality must be some kind of distinction), not bad enough to stand among the truly evil.

thus endeth the lesson, newbie, feel free to go fuck yourself now.
by: Minstrel Boy (contact) - 03 Jul '08 - 10:25
Just read the Rude Pundit...he links to Christopher Hitchen's waterboarding experiment...and the operative word there is water, folks.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808

Hitchens has some very respectful things to say about the guys who...well...let's call it assisted him...but he also points out the very slippery slope that humans can tread once torture enters the picture.
It's not about the information, it's not about 'right' and 'wrong'...it goes straight into the chaotic depths of brain wiring (read: sadomasochism and all its nuances).

Going to put on my Fool's Feet and go there...I think we all know this, but don't want to look at it, because it's too weird, dark and twisted to deal with comfortably. rolleyes
The ability and urge to inflict pain just because we can...it's there in all of us...deeper in some than others...but it's there.
The ability to acknowledge, recognize and control it defines ones level of humanity in the highest sense of the term.

I will now remove my Fool's Feet and don my flame-retardant suit...hope they were right about this thing... confused

Fool's Feet? You know the old saying about who rushes in where angels fear to tread...
by: tali (contact) - 03 Jul '08 - 12:00
gwb is simply not enough of anything.

So you would be happy if he were the worst, most utterly violent and murderous person in history? That makes no sense. I think that the reality of the situation is that no matter what GWB does, most people who post here will hate him. That much is clear.
by: Newbie (contact) - 03 Jul '08 - 14:57
Numbie, Forget a therapist. What you need is an exorcist.
by: Foiled Goil (contact) - 03 Jul '08 - 15:03
LOL, FG, I'm not the one who is complaining that GWB does not good enough and, at the same time,not bad enough. Talk about needing a therapist.
by: Newbie (contact) - 03 Jul '08 - 16:43
I did NOT call you a monkey, Newbie. Now take this banana, and scram.
by: Foiled Goil (contact) - 03 Jul '08 - 17:12



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