dat ol delusional theology...
by: astraea
I've been tracking it for a good while. May I share this from my archive.
from dec 20 2000
Message #704 of 30961 group/Negative-Capability
deb wrote:
Re: [Negative-Capability] Fw: [AnInformedPublic] Cheney shatters
Clinton push for peace in Israel
Nietzsche and Goethe also very big influences on Carl Jung, even Oscar
Wilde. Wagner is the only one I can think of who was rabidly and
consciously involved in myth making in the same destructive vein as Hitler.
But then, eugenics was just part of the late 19th early 20th C. The
planning for 'The Shape of Things to Come' was something Wells learned to
regret, something GBShaw is now pulled over the coals for. But it was just
part of the thinking, a natural part of early Socialist problem solving --
trying to plan, an attempt at making the world better. Oh yes:
full of good intentions! That it turned into the final solution was all
shadow projection, positivism, possession and obsession. The Dark isn't
dangerous, but our attitude toward it can be. Same goes for the Light.
Ultima Thule and the grail myth were turned into something diabolical when
they were married to complexes. But these things are not diabolical in
themselves.
It's exactly what Jung addresses in The Spirit Mercurius.
One of the first groups Hitler came for (and I had a lovely old Swiss man
write me about this): The Freemasons. Why? Because Masonry (MPB was an
honorary Mason and there are those whackos now who now claim SHE fed the
Nazis...) was the 'study of the science of symbols.' Freemasonry understood
ritual and metaphor as keys to the inner self through the EXPERIENCE of the
Divine as the ineffable numen. Scripture was understood in the Deistic
sense of a mortal heart speaking as the divine moves it.* Yes, pure Jung. I
can't think of anyone more pointedly Masonic than Jung -- who's grandfather
was the Swiss Grandmaster (George Washington was the first GM in the US).
So... it wasn't these writers who were dangerous, but they way they were fed
into an already sick, archetype possessed group of people who supposed their
intuition was, like everything about themselves, the infallible work of the
only true deity.
Lord knows, we have that here, now. Even Newt is undstanding they've
created a Frankenstein in the radical Christian Right. I'm praying, as they
are, that the moderates in their party can get hold of this mad and slippery
thing they've fed. A mass mind with all the potential destructiveness of
the Nazis.
Atlantic Monthly has a big story this month (that I can't get to scan!) on
the Goddess and the Scholars: Debunking the Goddess myth. You fools, you
crazy cultists! That's one of their Al Gore straw men: WE NewAgers
'worship' mother earth and want 'one world'. Well -- jeez. What is, is!
It's the worship thing they're stuck on. Symbols speak to us. As symbols.
The toad preacher John Egee(?) on the Christian Network gave an especially
rabid speech last night, saying we can choose God's law (their patriarchal
spin if the Bible ala Handmaid's Tale) or 'the law of the jungle.' They are
ready to go onto the Next Level of Christianity. He told some whoppers
about the meaning of 'The International Year of the Child"... "...allows
children to sue their parents, encourages them to buy condom... they don't
know the last three presidents when the graduate, but they've got a diploma
and a condom!" On and on... But what got me was the look in the eyes of
the people listening. It wasn't Christian love. It was hate.
----- Original Message -----
From: mike
Subject: Re: [Negative-Capability] Fw: [AnInformedPublic] Cheney shatters
Clinton push for peace in Israel
mary wrote:
| > Goethe and Nietsczhe (can't spell) were part of its happening if I'm not
| > mistaken? Hitler was more than a man with big hypnotic eyes and an
| > irritating voice, he was a man in a time and a place who was close to
the
| > collective unconscious and used it -- I bet he thought that was love --
| > including its mythology and sacred texts. Goethe and Nietschze were
among
| > the sacred texts. Also: Struwwelpeter.
| *Unfortunately all too true.
|
| m
|
|
| "....several things dovetailed in my mind, & at once it struck me, what
| quality went to form a Man of Achievement especially in Literature &
| which Shakespeare possessed so enormously -- I mean Negative Capability,
| that is when man is capable of being in uncertainties, Mysteries,
| doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact & reason -- " ~John
Keats
*which applies to all, yes?
In the floods of life, in the storm of work,
In Ebb and flow,
In warp and weft,
Cradle and grave,
An eternal sea,
A changing patchwork,
A glowing life,
At the whirring loom of Time I weave
The living clothes of the Deity.
~Goethe, the Earth Spirit to Faust
SYMBOLS, beloved.
That which is creative, creates itself. ~John Keats
Message #672 of 30961
the original article:
deb wrote:
As expected.
Let's see... it's all falling into place. Bush will make a fine antichrist,
war in the middle east, the restoration of the Temple of Solomon... then the
Righteous get to watch all of us burn from their heavenly vaunt. Should
make them all very happy.
That ain't my God, folks. And it ain't the mask 'he' wants to wear.
Yahweh's very tired of the whole drama. I wonder how far they can project
this shadow, though?
What are we to do alice, mary, carroll, mike, anand, phoebe -- all my
friends who see beyond what I can see as Hanging Man? I think I'm here to
usher paradox in and out, to remain a zwitterion. How do I keep faith?
Because I do somehow. We have to. I'll hang... the tree will blossom on
its own. I'll smell their scent. But maybe watered with tears of -- love?
|
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003864436460684&rtmo=qxqJudp9&atmo=rr
| rrrrrq&pg=/et/00/12/18/wmid18.html
|
| 18 December 2000
|
| Cheney shatters Clinton push for peace in Israel
| By Patrick Bishop in Jerusalem
|
| AN attempt to salvage a Middle East peace deal in the dying days of
| the Clinton presidency appeared seriously undermined last night as
| the incoming administration said recent American diplomacy had
| hindered a settlement.
|
| Israeli and Palestinian delegations are expected to go to Washington
| this week to try to find common ground that could pave the way for a
| peace summit. Both sides are due to hold separate talks with American
| officials in the first serious attempt to resume negotations, which
| have been in abeyance since the Palestinian uprising erupted in the
| West Bank and Gaza Strip at the end of September.
|
| The already slim chances of success were reduced further yesterday
| when Vice-President-elect Dick Cheney voiced the incoming
| administration's "concerns that the way the Clinton administration
| operated in the [last] year or so in the Middle East has made it more
| difficult to reach a settlement".
|
| He singled out the decision to put the future of Jerusalem, one of
| the most intractable of the many issues under negotiation, at the
| centre of the failed summit at Camp David last July. He made it clear
| that the Bush presidency had its own ideas about how to "regenerate"
| the peace process, which he said had now broken down.
|
| On the face of it, the parties have an interest in reaching
| agreements before President Clinton steps down on January 20. Ehud
| Barak was eager to strike a deal that would allow him to show
| substantial progress in building peace with the Palestinians in
| advance of an election for prime minister in early February which on
| current form he is expected to lose.
|
| Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian leader, had the choice of doing
| business with Mr Barak or waiting until after the poll, which in the
| absence of a peace breakthrough seems certain to result in a
| hardliner at the Israeli helm. Yesterday he said he was willing to
| meet Mr Barak to talk peace.
|
| Mr Clinton was anxious to see some results from a process which had
| absorbed much of his energy since he decided to try to forge a solid
| Middle East settlement as his lasting presidential legacy. That hope
| would now seem to be unrealistic following Mr Cheney's intervention.
|
| Despite the peace rumblings blood continued to flow yesterday with
| Israeli soldiers shooting dead Iyad Daoud, 27, and Ahmed Al-Kassas,
| 38, in the Gaza Strip near the border with Egypt. Palestinians said
| they had been going to the rescue of another man who had been shot
| and wounded. The army said they had returned fire after coming under
| attack.
|
| A leader of Mr Arafat's Fatah group was killed in a mysterious
| explosion at the Kalandiya refugee camp near Jerusalem. Fatah
| officials said Sami Mala'b eh, 28, was the latest victim of an
| Israeli assassination campaign against activists. The army had no
| official comment about the incident.
Thinking, a Dangerous Thing for Me
by: blackdog
This is awfully personal for me and I have little recourse to talk with anyone about it, the Woof looks kindly at me but offers nothing beyond that, so in many ways, being a reclusive bastard I have no other audience. I have attempted to be slow and stand-offish about a recent issue and have done a fairly good job in that direction, but I find that my heart can barely stand it. Like the dim one that I am I fall into temptation, time and again. Maybe this will explain some. From my recently re-divorced X.
As I said before, you do hold a special spot in my heart and always will. That was so long ago, but I do remember how wonderful our love was. All fresh and new. But now I am old and tired. Thanks so much for being so honest with me, I hated to ask you about it but I just had to (if I still drank, yes, I do). Please don't ever think that you bother me, you bring a smile to me more than you think, and right now I need those smiles. I'm having alot of trouble dealing with this divorce. Funny I never thought that John and I would part, he just got the middle age crazies and had to go. Oh well, I'll figure out how to make this work.
Anyway Thanks again for Roy (Orbison) and it really makes me sad to think that I make you cry. If you want I'll stop contacting you. I don't want to make you unhappy so just say the word, it won't hurt my feelings, I'll understand.
Kathie
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:06 PM, blackdog
wrote:
Damn, I have to do this again, the first time for some reason or other it didn't work. (In answer to her question about beer).
Yes I do, not in the same way, some measure of peace has found me and I don't rail at the world anymore all the time, the world has seemed to have beaten me to a point where I just shutup. I have my Woof to take care of and that is about all I need.
I should note my posts over at the 3Bs if you would know something about me these days, I haven't changed that much but one thing is clear to me is that I never quit loving you over all these years. There, I said it. Although I would never want to get involved again and have any potential to ruin your life another time, we did enough harm to each other already.
You deserve something better. I'll never hold you again and call you rabbit, but to my death I will remember the time we played in the snow at Scott, where I tripped you by the silo and we fell together in the snow kissing.
Sorry for being such a sentimental bastard, but there you have it. This represents better than any other bs how I feel, and most important, you take care.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPK_5yJZScQ
This may be the last post I make for a while. Got to get some healing.
Drug Convictions in Black and White
by: Konagod
Hey Barack and Hillary, I'm not sure which of you will capture the nomination. It honestly doesn't much matter to me at this point. But it would be refreshing to see either one, or preferably both, of you address this problem:
The Drug War (aka the War Against Black Men).
While drug usage among whites and blacks is relatively even, black men are almost 12 times more likely than white men to be convicted and sent to prison.
Two new reports, issued Monday by the Sentencing Project in Washington and by Human Rights Watch in New York, both say the racial disparities reflect, in large part, an overwhelming focus of law enforcement on drug use in low-income urban areas, with arrests and incarceration the main weapon.
But they note that the murderous crack-related urban violence of the 1980s, which spawned the war on drugs, has largely subsided, reducing the rationale for a strategy that has sowed mistrust in the justice system among many blacks.
Drug-related arrests continue to climb year after year, and according to the FBI, based on the most recent data available, marijuana arrests account for
40% of the total. This needs to be a political issue, but unfortunately both Obama and Clinton seem to be afflicted with Bushitis when it comes to a solution.
Both Democratic presidential candidates, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, have strongly condemned the racial disparities in arrests and incarceration during their campaigns, although neither has said how they would end them.
Call me. I have more than a few ideas. In the grand scheme of things, with all our problems which include Iraq, oil prices, the housing crisis, poverty, and disappearing jobs, the injustice inherent in the drug war is relatively easy to solve.
“The race question is so entangled in the way the drug war was conceived,” said Jamie Fellner, a senior counsel at Human Rights Watch and the author of its report.
“If the drug issue is still seen as primarily a problem of the black inner city, then we’ll continue to see this enormously disparate impact,” Ms. Fellner said.
Her report cites federal data from 2003, the most recent available on this aspect, indicating that blacks constituted 53.5 percent of all who entered prison for a drug conviction.
Appalling. No wonder I like to fire one up for presidential debates and primary election returns.
Crossposted from konagod
Gas Tax Holiday Frenzy at the State Level
by: Konagod
It's not just Clinton and McCain on the wrong track with calls for suspending the 18.4-cent federal excise tax; governors and lawmakers in many states are calling for a similar tax holiday by suspending their own state gasoline taxes. This is probably the most
foolish idea idea I've heard in eons.
Gov. Charlie Crist of Florida has been fighting to cut 10 cents from the state’s gasoline tax for two weeks in July. Lawmakers in Missouri, New York and Texas have also proposed a summer break from state gas taxes, while candidates for governor in Indiana and North Carolina are sparring over relief ideas of their own.
If experience with such gas tax “holidays” is any guide, drivers would save less than politicians suggest. But that is not necessarily the point.
“It’s about trying to serve the people and trying to understand and have caring, compassionate hearts for what they’re dealing with at the kitchen table,” said Mr. Crist, a Republican.
What's interesting is these politicians don't seem to give a damn about long-term solutions to either fuel prices, fuel economy, energy alternatives, or people living below the poverty line regardless of whether or not we have cheap fuel.
But they certainly do know how to jump on the quick-fix bandwagon to appease a public which seems to believe quick-fixes and cheap energy are an American birthright.
The response speaks not just to the reality of skyrocketing gas prices. It also highlights the political potency of anything that affects Americans’ bonds with their cars. Gas is a product that no one can ignore — and one that inspires intense emotion.
The time to bite the bullet is now. Oil futures surpassed $120 a barrel on Monday and if that isn't a wake-up call to start pouring huge resources and attention into long-term energy alternatives, then we reap what we sow. The idea that a suspension of the tax is going to help million of Americans "put food on the table" during the summer is preposterous.
Assuming prices don't continue to rise more than the amount of the suspended tax, then many American may indeed be able to buy a week's worth of groceries. Unfortunately, we can't assume fuel prices won't continue to rise during the summer months. State coffers will suffer and in the end, the lost tax revenue will need to be recouped. And in the end, if by chance fuel prices at the pump have risen another 10-cents to 20-cents a gallon by Labor Day, it's going to be a double whammy when the state and/or federal taxes on fuel are reinstated.
Changing our driving habits can do far more to put food on the table than a temporary suspension of the tax. Eliminating unnecessary trips and driving more conservatively could accomplish a lot. And we have the power to do that on our own, without the involvement of politicians.
What we should be demanding of our politicians is honesty, and a pledge to work sincerely on energy reform, without influence from big oil interests. We don't seem to be there yet.
Crossposted from konagod
Serving the Soup
by: Minstrel Boy
The mystery of who dropped off the onions is solved. An old friend who is a farmer here has a beautiful little five year old girl. She is entranced by my harps and is always agitating to get some time to try and play them. He left the onions as a thank you. He also told me about another reason the only market for them is local. Because of the high sugar content they do not store well. You can't just get a bag of them and stick them in cold storage to wait for your sales.
We get to keep all these beauties ourselves.
To serve you take a thick crockery bowl. It has to be a bowl that will survive being under the broiler. Fill the bowls 3/4 full with hot soup, lay your croutons over the top, then lay on a layer of grated cheese. I use about a half and half mixture of grated swiss, I love the nutty flavor and the texture, mixed with an equal amount of freshly grated Parmesian Reggiano.
This goes under the broiler until it looks like this:
Exquisite.
A couple of hints. If your croutons are extremely dry they will soak up all the delicious broth. No problem, if you see that this has happened when you remove the bowls from the broiler just lay another ladle of soup over the top. Don't forget to warn your guests about the very hot bowls. A thoughtful host will always include a sharp knife to cut through the croutons if the spoon can't get through the crusts, and also for trimming the strings of cheese from the spoon.
Our performance was the hit of the night. More about that later. Right now, soup's on and stuff.
harp and sword
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